Grateful thanks to Hrafn for
supplying the interview, and to Phil Waters who spared some time to
transcribe the interview for us!
Q: Mr Waters, how was your fishing here in Iceland?
Roger Waters: It was beautiful, yeah, it's a beautiful river...
Q: Did you catch many fish?
Roger Waters: I
caught... umm, I caught 17 salmon yeah, but we had a very big day on...
errr Sunday; we caught 36 fish on Sunday, which is a lot.
Q: Is this a recent hobby of yours?
Roger Waters: I've
been fly fishing for about... nearly 20 years I suppose. But I do very
little salmon fishing. I do a lot of trout fishing in England and I
love to... I love salt water fly-fishing as well. I like to fish for
bone fish and tarpon and perch in the Caribbean.
Q: Ever been to Iceland before?
Roger Waters: No, it's my
first time, I've heard a lot about it. I have a lot of friends who come
here every year and have been doing so for 20 years or so. It was great
to finally get here.
Q: Did you get a chance to visit any other parts of the country, or did you just go straight...?
Roger Waters: This was the
visit. I came in, I arrived early on Sunday morning... straight in the
car to ummmm... I am trying to remember what the river's called?
Q: Aðaldalur
Roger Waters: Aðaldalur it's called, yeah, straight there.
Q: Your lyrics are considered amongst the best in rock 'n' roll... Do you get ideas when you come to places like this?
Roger Waters: Umm... not
so much from the landscape, or the geography or the topography. I get
ideas I think from travelling often, because suddenly you're in a
different place, and I always make some kind of connection with the
fact that here's these people's lives are different than mine, but only
in certain aspects and that we're all really the same. It just... I' m
always reminded, you know, of how varied the human condition is. I
think aeroplanes give you a strange perspective, an interesting
perspective upon your own... the state of your own life and your
relationship with other people who live in the world as well.
Q: Did you get any ideas during your visit now?
Roger Waters: No, I was fishing. Fishing and sleeping and eating and drinking and talking and... no.
Q: What are you doing in regards to your music now, these days?
Roger Waters: Well... I've
got two main projects on the go. I'm working on a rock 'n' roll record
and I wrote, inevitably I wrote some... two or three new songs... as a
response to America and Great Britain invading Iraq. But the main work
I'm engaged in at the moment, is I'm finishing an opera that I started
in 1989. And it's an operatic history of the French Revolution and I
never completed the work because there was something about it, that
felt unsatisfactory to me. It's not my libretto, the libretto was
written by a Frenchman; though I have translated it into English and
I've recorded it in French and English, it's a classical opera with a
big orchestra and singers and a big chorus and a children's chorus.
Q: Have you ever done something like this before?
Roger Waters: Nope.
Q: Do you see this as a part of you evolving and changing as a musician?
Roger Waters:
Yeah... yeah it's been wonderful, its been fascinating to... I've had
to learn such a lot to... in order to do it. I knew nothing about
orchestration or how an orchestra worked really. And really I've only
been able to do it because of the technological advances that have
[happened] so that one can write with a computer. And it's very easy to
then learn about manuscripts and how all of that works. And it has,
after all been 13 or 14 years now since I started doing it. So, I've
had a long time to learn!
Q: Your songs about the invasion of Iraq, what are they saying?
Roger Waters: Well I can't... I'm not sure I can come up with any specific lyrics but ummm...
Q: Were you appalled at the... about the invasion or... ?
Roger Waters: I was
appalled, I am appalled... I'm still appalled. I can't... I find it
very hard to believe... You know it's strange sometimes, we find
ourselves in bits of history where suddenly everything goes...
apparently goes wrong. In the aftermath of the Second World War I
rightly or wrongly grew up with a certain pride in notions of you know,
British attitudes to justice, right and wrong, and fair play and so on
and so forth.
So... you know to find my country hanging on to
the shirt-tails of an American administration that's apparently gone
completely crazy. And has turned the clock back to a kind of
imperialist dogma that seems wholly out of date to me now... I find it
extremely distressing. I just can't believe... I find it almost
unbelievable and what's coming out now about all the lying that went on
in parliament, and so on and so forth; it just disgusts me. I'm totally
ashamed of the whole thing.
That's partly about what one of the
songs is about. It goes about... one of my songs is actually written
against the back drop of a short story I wrote, fifteen years ago...
about, when I was a kid, I, with some friends in 1961 or 62, drove an
old ambulance to Baghdad. We didn't actually reach Baghdad - it finally
broke down on the road to Damascus outside Beirut. But I hitchhiked
home from Beirut on my own. And the first night I was going home I was
taken in by a family, and given dinner, and [they] looked after [me].
They
were a strange family; it was a man and a woman and a child, and they
were all deformed in some way. He only had one leg, the wife was a
hunchback and the child had an appalling squint, and they were poor. He
was a clerk who travelled into Beirut every morning and he spoke
French, which I speak a little as well... So we communicated in French
and they were so kind to me... and I...
So I had written that
as a short story. Never done anything with it... But I then... I set
this short story against music, then it's interspersed with verses. I
think one of the verses is something like...
When I was 17
my Mother bless her heart
fulfilled my summer dream
she handed me the keys to the car
We motored down to Paris
fuelled with Dexedrine and booze
got busted in Antibes by the cops
and fleeced in Naples by the wops
but everyone was good to us
we were the English dudes
Our Dads had helped them win the war
when we all knew what we were fighting for
but now an Englishman abroad is just a U.S. stooge
the bulldog is a poodle...
Something... ummm...
Something 'round "the scoundrels
last refuge"... you know that Dr Johnson: that's a quote of Dr
Johnson's who said "patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel"
Ummm...
America, America
please hear us when we call
you got hip hop... be bop
hustle, bustle
you've got Adicus Finch
you've got Jane Russell
you've got freedom of speech
you've got great beaches, wilderness's and malls
don't let the might of the Christian right
fuck it all up for you and the rest of the world!
is one of the verses! So that's the
general tenure... Really I should be putting the record out now but
I... you know, there's fishing!
Q: Yeah, this answers the question for you "Mother should I trust the government?"
Roger Waters: Yeah, well
absolutely. It is an extraordinary time when the most powerful nation
on Earth is being led by a moron. Not just a moron but a moron who's
the puppet of... ummm... apparently... extraordinarily powerful and
very dangerous right wing representatives of big business. I cannot
believe, and the way... and it's quite extraordinary to me that...
Well, I nearly said: how the American public would vote such a man into
office. The fact is they didn't. They cheated their way into office;
they didn't actually win the election.
Q: Were you disappointed in Prime Minister Blair?
Roger Waters: Do you know
what I think? I think Blair wanted to be a rock star, and that's what
he really wanted, and I think this is as close as he can get... If you
can't be a rock star, the next best thing is to be a war leader,
Winston Churchill or Margaret Thatcher. I could... I can honestly see
no other rational explanation for the way he's behaved.
Q: Are you going to come back to Iceland and do some more fishing?
Roger Waters:
I'd love to come back and fish some more. I mean fishing is a
wonderfully kind of contemplative activity, as well as of course as we
know, being a very exciting and... And embodies exactly what it is...
why I voted Tory, which is something I'd never believed ever I
would do. In that I believe in the hunting gene; I think there is
something in some men's make-up, and women's make-up, whereby we are
kind of driven to hunt in one way or another, and fishing is just a
form of hunting, so, and ummm... whether there is or isn't a God
there's... something intends that we should continue to do so... that's
why it feels so good...
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