Roger Waters knows what he wants - By Edna Gundersen, USA TODAY
Roger Waters may be resurfacing
In the Flesh - his first tour in 12 years - but he never really escaped
the public consciousness. As Pink Floyd's dark visionary, Waters left
indelible impressions on pop culture and pop music with a pair of
imperishable classics. No album in history has charted longer than
1973's Dark Side of the Moon, spending its 1,166th week in Billboard;
1979's The Wall has tallied 537 weeks.
Waters, 55, is enjoying similar
longevity in a field littered with stunted careers and forced
retirements. He has occupied a prominent perch in rock mythology since
forming Pink Floyd in 1965 with Nick Mason, Richard Wright and Syd
Barrett (replaced by David Gilmour in 1968). After nearly
single-handedly shaping 1983's The Final Cut, Waters bitterly departed
to pursue a solo career. The progressive-rock architect of such tunes
as Comfortably Numb says he remains "uncomfortably estranged" from his
ex-bandmates, who continue as Pink Floyd, undeterred by his failed 1986
lawsuit to bury the name.
Though his current show
emphasizes Floyd tunes along with tracks from such solo albums as
1987's Radio K.A.O.S. and 1992's Amused to Death, Waters is not
settling into the oldies circuit. After completing a French opera, he
plans to begin recording a rock album early next year.
Q: What lured you back to the stage?
Roger Waters: A gig I did
a few years ago for Don Henley and his Walden Woods project with Neil
Young and John Fogerty. I did four or five songs, and it was such fun
that I thought, "I must do this again." I planned to spend this summer
in Long Island and decided to do some dates and see how it feels. I
started relearning a bunch of the old songs, and it felt very exciting.
Q: As the author of lines
like "We don't need no thought control/No dark sarcasm in the
classroom," you seemed particularly attuned to disenfranchised youth.
How did you react to the spate of school shootings in the USA?
Roger Waters: In the
Colorado shooting, the media seemed to change their tack a bit. Though
they attached ghoulishly to it, covered it 24 hours a day and even gave
it a logo like "Horror in the Rockies," they did address issues of
alienation and pain rather than just saying, "Oh, these aberrant
teenagers have to be stamped out." After denigrating self-help ideas
for the last 20 years, the media are beginning to look at the
psychology and not just the police work.
Q: In relating bleak subjects, do you tap into your experience, or are you just a good observer of your generation?
Roger Waters: A lot of it
is autobiographical. I have never in my life thought, "Hmm, what can I
invent?" Feelings inside me bubble to the surface in a fairly passive
process. I went to a very uptight, strict, all-boys school in England
in the '50s. The regime was a very oppressive one, and there was
nothing for us to do but rebel against it. People often say, "Why do
you write such dark songs?" I don't choose what to write. I paint what
I see.
Q: Are you surprised that kids today are connecting with lyrics you wrote more than 20 years ago?
Roger Waters: I remember
reading an interview that Rick Wright gave at one point, and he said,
"We weren't interested in the lyrics." Well, I'm sure he wasn't, but I
was. Lines like "Breathe in the air, don't be afraid to care" are easy
to attack as puerile, adolescent, head-in-the-clouds nonsense, but on
another level, it's a very straightforward exhortation to be here now
and to live, something we all need help with. I still do.
Q: Do any of your early songs seem dated or obsolete?
Roger Waters: Yeah. Before
I found my voice, there were orchestral experiments that sound pretty
(lame) now, and on albums like Meddle (1971) you can detect a groping
for form. But most of the songs survived reasonably. The song Echoes, a
long, drawn-out piece, has a lyric about strangers passing on the
street that's become a recurrent theme for me, the idea of recognizing
oneself in others and feeling empathy and a connection to the human
race.
Q: Fame tends to widen the gulf between celebrities and audiences. Do you still feel a strong bond to your fans?
Roger Waters: Some of
them. I get a lot of letters that just say, "Please send me 42
autographs on these cardboards. They're for my grandchildren." I bet.
But I also get very moving letters, and I have a lot of contact with
schools. Students all over the world want to put on productions of The
Wall, and I always give permission. I never give permission for
commercial productions. I love the thought of young people exploring
it, and I hope it provides a steppingstone for them to do their own
work.
Q: In 1990, you staged an all-star production of The Wall at the Berlin Wall. Do you foresee a revival?
Roger Waters: It's very
unlikely. After doing it in 1980 and 1990, I did think I might do it in
2000. But I don't want to get involved in a big commercial thing.
Berlin was for charity, and it was fantastic, but it was a debilitating
feat, and I hated the jungle of management. It would be fun to do it on
Wall Street, but closing Wall Street for a week isn't going to happen.
Q: It would be easier at the Great Wall of China.
Roger Waters: Probably.
But I don't want to do anything big anymore. The very early days of
Pink Floyd were magical. We played small auditoriums for entranced
audiences, and there was a wonderful sense of communion. We got
overpowered by the weight of success and numbers - not just the money
but the size of the audience. I became very disenchanted. I had to make
the choice of staying on the treadmill or making the braver decision to
travel a more difficult path alone.
Q: Do you have any regrets about leaving Pink Floyd?
Roger Waters: Absolutely not. It was painful, like any divorce, but necessary. We had grown in different directions.
Q: In the end, your vision
was the dominating force in Pink Floyd. Is it more gratifying to work
alone than to collaborate within a band?
Roger Waters: The Wall was
more comfortable than Wish You Were Here, when there was still quite a
lot of fighting. Although I got my way, it was at great cost, because
Dave and I fought tooth and nail. By the time we got to The Wall, there
wasn't much fight left in him. His contributions were considerable, but
I felt no interference anymore. If I'm painting sunflowers, I don't
want somebody leaning over my shoulder going, "They're not yellow
enough." I know what I want.
Q: Didn't leaving the band and losing that identity hurt you commercially?
Roger Waters: Yeah. I'm
incredibly proud of Amused to Death, which wasn't enormously successful
and didn't get wide acceptance. If it had Pink Floyd's name on it, it
would be sitting alongside The Wall and Dark Side of the Moon. That's
part of the price I paid for leaving the band. But I've been very
lucky. A lot of people die before anybody takes their work seriously.
Q: How did you come to compose Ca Ira, an opera about the French Revolution?
Roger Waters: Etienne
Roda-Gil, who wrote the libretto, is a very old friend who asked me to
consider setting his piece to music. His wife, Nadine, had beautifully
illustrated it. It's a poetic history of the revolution rooted in fact,
but I also liked it because it deals in generalities about change. I
made this demo that was passed around until it foundered in the
political arena. Then, sadly, Nadine died of leukemia in 1990, and
Etienne disappeared into his grief for a few years. We met again a few
years ago and decided to resurrect this. We have about 80 minutes in
finished form. We'll finish it up, and Sony Classics will probably
release it early next year.
Q: Did you find natural parallels between rock and opera, or was this a jarring switch?
Roger Waters: Music is
music. It didn't seem like much of a leap to me. I've always loved
classical and choral music, so it's a fairly natural move for me. What
people make of it remains to be seen. I'm sure everybody will get their
knives out and wave furiously. But I am used to that. Stick your head
out, and people will chop it off.
Q: Is it easy to put aside people's expectations?
Roger Waters: No. I still
feel the desperate need for acceptance and applause that I felt as a
child. It was a major motivation toward learning to play the guitar and
starting to warble. You may become more comfortable with who you are
and may judge yourself less and less, but the child inside lives for
this forever.
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